# Beman.dump: our first delisted library

**URL:** <https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271>\
**Category:** Beman Project Development\
**Created:** [November 25, 2024, 5:11pm UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271 "2024-11-25T17:11:06Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 16\
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**Author:** ![dsankel](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/dsankel/32/5_2.png) [@dsankel](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/dsankel)\
**Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 5:11pm UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/1 "2024-11-25T17:11:06Z")

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Hey all, the beman.dump standard library proposal was rejected last week by Library Evolution Incubator (LEWGI) meaning it no longer qualifies for listing as an official Beman library.

This opens the question of what to do with the beman.dump repository. One option that has worked for me in this past is moving it to a different org (bemanproject-junkyard?).

What do y’all think?

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**Author:** ![paul](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/paul/32/105_2.png) [@paul](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/paul)\
**Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 5:28pm UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/2 "2024-11-25T17:28:48Z")

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Could we just archive it but leave it as part of the Beman org? Or do you think that will be confusing?

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**Author:** ![dsankel](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/dsankel/32/5_2.png) [@dsankel](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/dsankel)\
**Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/3 "2024-11-25T17:40:40Z")

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That makes sense. I wasn’t aware of that GitHub feature.

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**Author:** ![paul](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/paul/32/105_2.png) [@paul](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/paul)\
**Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 5:45pm UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/4 "2024-11-25T17:45:43Z")

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Sounds good.

Will the original author take back “ownership” of the project/library? Or are they abandoning it?

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**Author:** ![dsankel](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/dsankel/32/5_2.png) [@dsankel](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/dsankel)\
**Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 6:15pm UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/5 "2024-11-25T18:15:13Z")

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> [@paul](#):
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> Will the original author take back “ownership” of the project/library? Or are they abandoning it?

What do you think @foonathan?

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**Author:** ![foonathan](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/foonathan/32/112_2.png) [@foonathan](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/foonathan)\
**Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 6:18pm UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/6 "2024-11-25T18:18:04Z")

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I would say that we should merge the PR, and archive it. Then it serves as another example project people can look at.

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**Author:** ![river](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/river/32/119_2.png) [@river](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/river)\
**Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/7 "2024-11-25T19:06:14Z")

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Do we still need to make the repo beman standard compliant before archiving?

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**Author:** ![dsankel](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/dsankel/32/5_2.png) [@dsankel](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/dsankel)\
**Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 9:58pm UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/8 "2024-11-25T21:58:58Z")

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I don’t think so. Our time is better spent on improving listed libraries.

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**Author:** ![river](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/river/32/119_2.png) [@river](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/river)\
**Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 3:17am UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/9 "2024-11-26T03:17:34Z")

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I suggest a small grace period (e. g. a week/ half a week) so we can have the repo in an acceptable level for future reference, iron out a couple TODOs, and document the library a little bit.

Unless if we are going to delete it outright of course.

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**Author:** ![river](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/river/32/119_2.png) [@river](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/river)\
**Post date:** [December 3, 2024, 5:05pm UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/10 "2024-12-03T17:05:42Z")

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Given we are lacking experience with release cycles. Maybe this repo could be a good exercise on releasing a library?? Just need to include a note on “oh btw the paper is rejected”.

Usually, we do experiments like this in exemplar, but I think dump would be more appropriate.

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**Author:** ![Jeff-Garland](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/jeff-garland/32/23_2.png) [@Jeff-Garland](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/Jeff-Garland)\
**Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/11 "2024-12-05T00:12:36Z")

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Why wouldn’t we use something like optional26 that probably deserves a release? My feeling is that we should deprecate dump asap.

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**Author:** ![river](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/river/32/119_2.png) [@river](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/river)\
**Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 12:52am UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/12 "2024-12-05T00:52:26Z")

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hum that’s a good point.

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**Author:** ![neatudarius](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/neatudarius/32/70_2.png) [@neatudarius](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/neatudarius)\
**Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 11:13am UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/13 "2024-12-05T11:13:10Z")

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> [@Jeff-Garland](#):
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> Why wouldn’t we use something like optional26 that probably deserves a release? My feeling is that we should deprecate dump asap.

Exactly!

Related to dump, I would just merge the PR today. Immediately do the archive. We have other things to do in Beman.

[@project-leads](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/groups/project-leads) , what’s the conclusion on this thread?

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**Author:** ![Jeff-Garland](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/jeff-garland/32/23_2.png) [@Jeff-Garland](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/Jeff-Garland)\
**Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 1:08pm UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/14 "2024-12-05T13:08:15Z")

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I just realized I should have said

> we should dump dump

That would have been way funnier 🙂

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**Author:** ![dsankel](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/dsankel/32/5_2.png) [@dsankel](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/dsankel)\
**Post date:** [December 5, 2024, 5:56pm UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/15 "2024-12-05T17:56:34Z")

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> [@Jeff-Garland](#):
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> My feeling is that we should deprecate dump asap.

I agree with @Jeff-Garland here. @neatudarius feel free to go ahead with the PR merge/archive.

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**Author:** ![neatudarius](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/discourse.bemanproject.org/neatudarius/32/70_2.png) [@neatudarius](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/u/neatudarius)\
**Post date:** [December 21, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/t/beman-dump-our-first-delisted-library/271/16 "2024-12-21T00:22:15Z")

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Done:  
 ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/boost/original/1X/3b26cecc550efa758a774a43d2f51972a7971fd8.png)

Issue: [https://github.com/bemanproject/dump/issues/5](https://github.com/bemanproject/dump/issues/5)

CC: [@project-leads](https://discourse.bemanproject.org/groups/project-leads) @foonathan

Thanks @foonathan for contribution!